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2 Men, 1 Conversation, 1 Goal - Personal Development

S02E45 The Fallible Man Podcast

Welcome to The Fallible Man, podcast, your home for all things, man, husband and father, we provide content, help men become the men. They want to be. My name is Brent and I am the fallible man. And today's show I'm talking with businessman, husband, father, and fellow podcaster, Brian Hamilton, Brine and his wife, Tonya have are the founders and hosts of Disrupt the Everyday Podcast.

[00:00:47] Welcome to the fellow man podcast.

[00:00:50] Brine Hamilton: Brent, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure. And uh, I am excited to have this

[00:00:52] conversation.

[00:00:54] David Dowlen: I, uh, you have a very unique name, sir. I've never actually heard someone's first name.

[00:01:00] Brine Hamilton: Well, there is a story behind it, as you might imagine. I was actually, I'm actually a junior, so I'm named after my dad and on my dad's birth certificate, it was filled out for whatever reason by my great-grandmother who's Irish.

[00:01:10] And the story goes that she wrote Brian the way she said it. So it was Brine instead of Brian.

[00:01:17] David Dowlen: Well, that's a good, that's a good story. I like that. It's a good explanation. Yeah. I, I read it and I had to read it a couple of times. Like, am I reading this right? Was that a typo? Uh, so I feel better now. I was like, Hmm, I'm going to screw that up sometime in this episode.

[00:01:32] Brine Hamilton: Well, for us not discussing it beforehand, you nailed it.

[00:01:37] David Dowlen: Oh, that was a better start than some of my shows. So, Brine, uh, I appreciate you taking the time to be on the show today, reaching out to us on vacation. That's a, that's a lot of dedication, uh, but you know, I, I don't read accolades. I, I get a little chance to research you guys before the show, before you're on my show and see what you're doing.

[00:01:57] And, and one of the coolest things about podcasting as you know, is I get to meet a lot of really interesting people, but our guests never really, truly, I mean, I can read accolades all day and it just doesn't click. Right. So who is Brine Hamilton?

[00:02:14] Brine Hamilton: All right. Well, Brine Hamilton is a husband and father of four.

[00:02:18] Uh, my wife, Tonya, and I just celebrated 14 years of marriage, uh, actually last week. So, uh, exciting time for us. Uh, also, uh, aside from that, uh, in terms of my work life, I am a system engineer with Amico software, and I'm going to go with a company that focuses on incident reporting software. So we serve the law enforcement community, public safety, and my background prior to that was 15 years in the security and.

[00:02:40] Primarily in the healthcare space. Uh, I'm also a podcaster. So I do host, uh, three podcasts as the, after mentioned, disrupt the everyday podcast, the health care security cast and the proactive security podcast. And also I serve as the president elect of the international association for healthcare security and safety, which is a, it's an industry association that focuses again on healthcare security.

[00:03:03] So that's been a passion for me for a long time and it's, uh, it's, it's, it gives me an opportunity to really contribute to my industry. So I've really been enjoying that role. Um, and I guess if you want to talk about accolades, uh, last year in 2020, I was named to the Canadian security magazine's top 10 under 40.

[00:03:19] So, uh, that's, that's me, in a nutshell, a husband and father of four is a, you know, the, obviously the reason why I'm on here, man, father, husband, and you know, that, that kind of sums up who I am in a nutshell. And I'm just, again, excited to have this conversation with.

[00:03:33] David Dowlen: So, this is where I teach you about the cookie cutter answer, because on your podcast, you'd eat somebody alive for that, that, that was like straight off your bio man, but who, who is Brine?

[00:03:44] You meant, I appreciate one of the things you brought up when we were talking, uh, setting this up was you emphasize husband and father and man working on personal development. Right. Uh, which of course caught my attention because that definitely feeds to my audience. Um, as you've been on this discovery.

[00:04:04] Right. And, and I don't want to get too far ahead of myself cause I'm going to, if I just wonder here, that's why I take notes. But, uh, so let's roll into that too. Tell me where you are. Because like I said, I read your bio, but tell me where you were. What drove you to change? You said you didn't really get into personal development until you were 30 and you wish you had started.

[00:04:24] Brine Hamilton: Yeah. So I guess, you know what, I'll go back to, you know, I told you who I am, I'll tell you who I was 16 years ago. So when I was 23 years old, at that time, I found myself in a position where I was actually, you know, in a bad financial state, I was bankrupt. I just went through a divorce. And, you know, there was one point where I actually contemplated taking my life.

[00:04:42] I remember I was driving home from work. It was on the highway. You know, it was just one of those times where, you know, I felt like I'd hit rock bottom. Uh, and you know, I was just like, I could, I could end this all right. Now it was like, I could end this all, you know, it looked like an accident and, you know, no one has to see or hear from me again.

[00:04:58] And I'm kind of out of this rut that I'm in, but for whatever reason, I decided, you know what, no, I've just got to, I've got to make a change. I've got to make things better. So, you know, I just, I started on the journey then of just trying to grow in my career. I was already working in the security industry.

[00:05:13] I started taking on more roles. I eventually met Tonya who's my wife now. And you know, from the moment I met her again, it's going to sound weird because I had just went through a, through a divorce, not too long before, but I knew that she was a person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. So for us to be able to get married again, I was bankrupt at this time.

[00:05:31] So there wasn't a, I didn't have credit. I started working a second job and eventually a third job. So I was working two full-time jobs into part-time jobs so that we didn't have to go into debt for our wedding. We were married within two years of our first date. And then from there, uh, the, the job that was actually my third job at the time was as a, as a security professional at a hospital in downtown Toronto.

[00:05:53] So I started working there. I very quickly got up to the point where I was a, we called it a charge officer, which is essentially the equivalent of a shift lead. I was working night shifts and my goal was always to get into, uh, get into policing. Uh, but you know, looking at it, I realized it wasn't really the life for me.

[00:06:11] And then once I had my first. I realized the night shifts that I had been doing for a couple of years at that point were, were tough. And I wasn't going to be able to do that. Long-term so I was like, you know what, edit focus on management. I'm going to focus on growing in this industry. And, you know, by that time, when my son was born, I was 27 years old.

[00:06:30] So again, I started working on myself, but it was really, I was just, I wasn't doing a lot of the things that I do now. I was just trying to just figure things out by following the work path. Like I was, I just tried to be really good at my job and hope that would lead to the next thing, but it, you know, it took me, it took me into my thirties and having, you know, having a set of twins after my son too, to really realize, okay, I'm going to have to take this more seriously.

[00:06:52] And I'm going to have to find other ways to actually grow in my career. So that was, that was kind of what led to the change for me. I started doing a lot of different things, which I'm sure we'll probably get into as we have this discussion. But, uh, yeah, when I just realized that what I was doing wasn't enough, I was like, okay, I'm going to need to do more.

[00:07:10] We'll we'll kind of go down there. We'll go down that rabbit trail. I'm sure. But I, I, you, you probably have some follow-ups just based on what I said,

[00:07:17] David Dowlen: it's amazing what a catalyst kids are. Isn't it? Oh my gosh. Yeah. I, I talked to so many men. I feel very privileged to do that.

[00:07:27] I've watched so many men whose lives have changed drastically. Once you added children to the equation. Um, guys that you just, I mean, you looked at and you're like, wow, he's going to kill himself before he's 21. You know, you add children to the situation and all of a sudden this person that you're like, I'm amazed, you're still alive.

[00:07:48] Um, all of a sudden becomes a real person and it's not that they weren't real person before, but their perspective on the world changes drastically. And all of a sudden you have to take a really real look at your life when it's not just you and you. That's I love, I love that story because it's very relatable story.

[00:08:10] Right? Any of our listeners who have ever had kids know exactly what we were talking about, this is a moment where you just go, oh, I, uh,

[00:08:23] Hmm.

[00:08:25] Brine Hamilton: It's not all about me.

[00:08:26] David Dowlen: Yeah. The world just changed a lot. I have a coworker I worked with for years and years and years. And I watched him go from the 20, some odd year old who hated it.

[00:08:39] When all of us start talking about our families to getting married, I had, it was very, to me, it was very privileged because I got to watch this journey. I worked with him long enough that I watched him get married. And then he had a son and he started acting really like, sounding like a real person. And you know, the first time he actually asked some of us like, Hey, I have a question.

[00:09:02] My son did this, is that normal? Should we be? It was like, oh, you're real. Okay. And then I just had the privilege recently. He just had a daughter about five months ago. And when he found out his wife was pregnant with a daughter, it drastically like, I mean, he looked at me, he's like, how do you do this?

[00:09:25] Because I have two little girls, I have a seven year old and a nine year old. And he looked at me. He's like, how do you even look at the world? I said, and not worry about everything. And automatically think every guy has a scumbag and automatically just like, want to run around with a gun and going, stay away from my kid, stay away, stay away.

[00:09:45] And he's like, yeah, I, you know, I had a boy and I didn't think anything about it, but I said, you know, you have a, you're having a girl on now. It's another dimension added, but fatherhood is just such a joy. I've enjoyed that with a lot of the guests I've gotten talked to with, and this, this is great.

[00:10:03] You're in Canada, right? You're in Ontario. So what you said there, there's no way our paths would cross normally, except we have this amazing world of podcasting and the internet. So I got to ask you the most important question in the show here. Okay. What is your favorite ice cream?

[00:10:20] Brine Hamilton: My favorite ice cream.

[00:10:21] So, uh, it's funny. I think my favorite ice cream is this, you know, we have this place, I don't know if you have it in the us, but a marble slab and they make this coffee, ice cream that I, that I quite enjoy. So there's that, that, or any, any kind of, any kind of ice cream that uses that, those, those peanut butter and chocolate cups and the,

[00:10:40] David Dowlen: we have something called a cold stone.

[00:10:44] Brine Hamilton: And actually we have, we do have Coldstone here as well.

[00:10:46] David Dowlen: So same idea.

[00:10:47] Brine Hamilton: It's like, yeah, very, very similar

[00:10:50] idea. Uh,

[00:10:51] David Dowlen: I think I've actually seen a marble slab back before. Forever ago when they close the border is what it seems like. Now we we'd go up to Vancouver, Victoria and BC every now and then. So that, that, that is the important universal question, man.

[00:11:06] Cause everybody loves ice cream. I know people who are lactose intolerant, who can't eat ice cream, who still just like torture themselves with ice cream and weak spot for some of us got a little extra because of it.

[00:11:21] Brine Hamilton: It doesn't necessarily agree with me either, but, um, yeah, I'd have a hard time turning down a good, uh, coffee flavored ice cream.

[00:11:27] David Dowlen: It doesn't agree with me cause my waistband gets bigger.

[00:11:33] So I was reading your bio. And you said that you would like to help at least one person, if, if one person not make the same mistakes that you faced in your life in hindsight, you know, what, what are a couple of those that you really want to be able to help men get away?

[00:11:54] Brine Hamilton: Yeah, well, number one is just understanding there and there's a lot of them, but number one is just really understanding your finances.

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[00:11:59] Because again, I talked about being bankrupt early on in the show. I didn't really understand finances as a young person and got myself into a lot of trouble from that. So, you know, really take the time to understand finances right now. I'm, I'm making sure to educate my kids on finances, make sure they understand saving, make sure they understand just they have no priorities around spending money.

[00:12:18] So if they want to spend money, there's a certain amount that they have to put into their long-term savings. So again, it's just part of that education, you know, as they get older, teaching them to have a credit card, not for the purpose of just spending money, but actually just to build credit. So have that paid off, don't actually carry a balance.

[00:12:33] So things like that, like just important lessons that probably every man should know, but I feel like a lot of us don't really get taught. I know. Didn't get taught those lessons. Oh, but yeah, in terms of that, um, personal development, again, just take the time to get better and think about the, uh, the long game, not the short game.

[00:12:51] Just think about making those small gradual improvements everyday and letting it compound again, even with finances, when you talk about you, you talk about compound interest and things like that, it works the same way for developing skills. So you don't need to be over and you don't have to have overnight proficiency, but just work on something, build slowly.

[00:13:07] And, you know, by the end of a month, by the end of the year, you'll see that you've developed a great deal in that skill. But I guess as far as the man thinks, um, just know, just understand to be content in whatever situation you're in. That was something that I learned from my dad. He really, he really modeled that in his behavior.

[00:13:24] He never really got too high on the highs or too low on the. Uh, he, you know, he, he understood and I guess he understood this better than I did as a young person. I understand it now, but whatever situation you're in, it's eventually going to be over. So you just need to, just to endure and be content with the situation.

[00:13:42] as it is

[00:13:44] David Dowlen: man it's like talking to a mirror. I swear to God, we, you would think we've had these conversations. I, 2020 was a huge year for me financially because I had the dawning realization at 40. So I waited another 10 years, a 40 on how little I actually understood about finance. I didn't know anything about it.

[00:14:04] And I don't blame my parents or anything because my dad didn't know anything about money. They weren't ever taught about it. Exactly. Right. And then I started thinking about it. I realized we aren't taught this in school. I went to public school and I'm generally a fan of public education. For the most part.

[00:14:20] We don't teach us. They didn't teach me anything about money in school. I got a notice from my company, 401k. And up until that moment, a 401k was something they said in the interview and it didn't mean anything to me. Right. But they said they would making some changes and sent me a link to my email. So I thought, Hey, I should sign in and see what I got clicked on it.

[00:14:42] And the company that hosts our 401k from my company happens to be the same one that hosts the 401k from my previous company. Okay.

[00:14:50] Oh, thanks.

[00:14:51] Yeah, that, that was really convenient, but it was earth shattering because I looked and I was like, oh, that must be my, okay. That's my old company account. And I see it sitting in a money fund and I didn't know what the money fund was.

[00:15:05] So I what's that. And they roll this over. I had been at my new company for six and a half years. Would that money for all company sitting in a money fund now it was safe. And if you guys don't know what a money fund is, it's, it's a very secure, but you aren't going to make anything on it. Like it it's embarrassingly.

[00:15:28] It's almost about as a savings account. And so for six and a half years, cause I didn't know anything about it. That money sat there doing nothing for me. Yeah. It was like, oh, and then, so I started asking questions and studying and looking up stuff on the internet. It was like, I don't know anything about this.

[00:15:47] Where are my other 401ks? I know I've worked for other companies that have them were all those that I should try and figure that out. Right. I mean, my 401k jumped, I think $130 in value, just investing it in something other than the money fund, like instant return, just, just putting in an investment as opposed to sitting there.

[00:16:10] And so, yeah, 2020 was a huge year and I actually did. I have a four or five video series on my YouTube channel about teaching your kids about finance, because that's something that I started this year. Yeah. I actually pay my kids to read books about finance and business, my seven year old. And my nine-year-old I've found age by an age-appropriate books and they have to read them and do a book report on them.

[00:16:35] And then I pay them and they have to invest 30% of it in long-term investments. They have to donate 10%. They get to keep the rest. But my nine year old knows about, uh, shipping and receiving and light tariffs. And she's never paid taxes in her life and she knows they're horrible. Right. Uh, because it's like, I had this, it's like, okay, I'm 40.

[00:17:03] I don't know how much I can do about it, but I can start making sure my kids don't end up here. Right. Yeah. So I did a whole series with them. They have a business, they make t-shirts on rebel and sell them kids for kids, Zions kind of stuff. It's, it's awesome. But it's all part of it. I don't care if they make money.

[00:17:21] It's all part of educating them on stuff. I didn't learn until I was 40. Right. So if this is just such a common ground, how many of us guys, if you're listening to the show, man, comment in the comments, how many of you were never taught anything about finances? Seriously, share with us because wow. It's I am seeing this common thread with people.

[00:17:46] I talk to you just, we're not taught about money and I don't understand why not. Right. You would think it's kind of an important

[00:17:56] thing.

[00:17:58] Brine Hamilton: Yeah.

[00:18:00] And it's interesting, like my dad, same idea. He didn't teach me about money, but it's again, because he didn't have that knowledge himself either. And you can only write.

[00:18:07] You can only give what you, what you have to give. Right. I know one of the folks I interviewed his name is Jeff Martin, but one of the things he said when he was on our podcast was, you know, don't give your children what you didn't have give them what you didn't know. So, and I, and I think we kind of coincide there.

[00:18:23] We're trying to do that with our kids and instill those values in the,

[00:18:26] David Dowlen: so tell us a little bit about what the disrupt the everyday podcast is. Go plug your show and tell us what it is.

[00:18:33] Brine Hamilton: Absolutely. Okay. So the disrupt, the everyday podcast is a podcast that again is hosted by myself and my wife, Tanya. And we don't have one specific topic that we, uh, that we've focused on.

[00:18:43] We focused on a broad number of topics. So our first guest was Barbara, Colorado. So who's a parenting expert. She's been on Oprah. She's been on CNN, all the three letter networks, essentially. So she was our first guest. Uh, we followed that up with a talk about relationships, where we had Andrea and Jonathan Taylor Cummings, who are a TEDx speakers, and they they've published a book recently called the four habits.

[00:19:04] It's focused on the four habits that are necessary in any successful relationship. So we talked about things like relationship finances, which we've been talking about, personal development, uh, self-awareness communication, pretty much anything that you can imagine. So basically the goal for the disruptive everyday podcast.

[00:19:21] Folks can come to our website and there's a long-term goal, but folks can come to our website, whatever it is that they're wanting to learn about, or maybe they're struggling with, they'll be able to just do a quick search on our website. And they're going to find a podcast episode. That's covering that.

[00:19:34] And at the end of the day, they're going to learn something and they're going to have another resource that they can reach out to in that

[00:19:38] guest.

[00:19:39] David Dowlen: You, uh, you guys have some really interesting guests. You've had some good ones on there. I was listening to one. You did. I want to say three or four episodes back, maybe five, uh, on resilience, uh, female guests, uh, who has a podcast or something herself.

[00:19:55] She has a pretty big following listening to her talk, but it was, it was a really good show, man. I, I enjoyed it.

[00:20:01] Brine Hamilton: Yeah. Yeah. Resilience is my superpower. It was called.

[00:20:04] David Dowlen: Yes, that's it. That's the one. I was actually listening to that earlier at work, because I wanted to get an idea of how you guys flow on your show because I'm always trying to learn, right.


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00:20:14] Because I don't know that my podcast is the best podcast or my format is the best format. So. When I get to talk to other podcasters, it's like, oh, well, how do you guys do your show? And I saw, I want to listen to that a little bit. And, uh, I told you, I was really misfiled by the whole who is on your bio. I was like, we start our shows with the question who is like, what is that?

[00:20:35] I want to know more about what that question is.

[00:20:39] Brine Hamilton: Yeah, exactly. And when we ask that question, sometimes it's a really quick, like 32nd answer. Other times it's a 10 minute answer depending on what the person's comfortable sharing about themselves and what they really, where they want that conversation to go.

[00:20:51] A lot of times is going to be really dictated by what they say in that, in that who is,

[00:20:56] David Dowlen: well, it's one of those scary questions for a lot of people, right? Most people, you know, I asked you who is Brine Hamilton and it's like, you you've got some experience because you've done podcasting. I've got some people I've asked that question too.

[00:21:13] And it's like a deer in the headlights look just instantly. They're like. What have you done? Uh, uh, I had a guest on podcast episode. I published this week. I had Aaron Young. If you get a chance to get Aaron Young dude, you should get him for your show. He's incredible. You can hook him up on pod match that we both use, um, spectacularly interesting individual, but I asked him, I was like, so who is Aaron Young?

[00:21:41] And he's like, oh, wow. I I've been meaning to work on that question because I've been doing a little more promotional media and I really still, I need to come up with a good answer to that by just, I'm such a bad self-promoter. And he took like 10 minutes to answer the question because he's trying to fill it out as he goes, because he's a, he's a really deep thinker and it's really obvious when you talk to him, he's like, ah, not, not ready for that one.

[00:22:09] That's okay. The ice cream question through him off even more.

[00:22:12] Brine Hamilton: Yeah. The ice cream went. And when I heard you ask that and I was like, okay, I'll, I'll be ready for this one. Hopefully.

[00:22:19] David Dowlen: Oh, see, I cut that out of a lot of the podcasts episodes, a lot of the public doesn't don't hear that. I actually ask all my guests that I ended up cutting it out of the show for time usually.

[00:22:28] And so I get a really deer in the headlights. Look on that one too. It was like, uh, where did that come from? It's true. It's ice cream. It's important. You just have to understand.

[00:22:39] Brine Hamilton: Yeah. You got to get your priorities.

[00:22:40] David Dowlen: Life is, uh, you know, I, so I can only assume you're incredibly busy. You and your wife both.

[00:22:47] Right. And you have multiple kids to do. One of the biggest problems for me, I've learned is just balancing life, right with, because I worked full-time job, I had this and I also have my lovely wife, who's engineering, the podcast and my two children and they're the world to me. And so I actually have to schedule in time.

[00:23:11] So I didn't know if you noticed on my con on my calendar, Wednesday nights are blocked out there. There's nothing. I come home from my nine to five job. And from the time I walk, get home, till the time I go to bed, that's the girl's time period. So we watched, I think couple of TV shows and my wife was out shopping last night and we ate ice cream, sundaes and chocolate syrup and with cream and, you know, crumbled some Oreos over the top of it kind of thing, because it's just memories.

[00:23:40] My dad was a big ice cream person. Like, we'd go. His weight at the end of those life, prove that. But yeah, I'm trying to do better than that. Every time. Like we go out on the weekend and go driving and I could guarantee we're going to stop at a gas station. He was going to be up by being ice cream. Right.

[00:23:58] That's the whole reason I went driving with him. Cause I knew I was getting ice cream.

[00:24:03] Brine Hamilton: Yeah. W with me it was donuts. My dad loved fishing and I absolutely despised fishing, but it was like the one thing that my dad really loved. So try to be a good son, tried to go out there with them and, and do those fishing trips.

[00:24:14] But I knew he was going to buy donuts. So, you know, I'd get to drive the boat. You know, when we had a boat that we could drive, I got to drive the boat and you know, I'd fish for, you know, maybe an hour. And I was done. He could go, he could fish for an entire week. And actually there was one time where we went.

[00:24:28] He, you know, we left after I got home from school, we left on a Friday and I'm thinking, okay, we're going to be gone for the night. No big deal. He brought me back home Sunday in time to get ready for bed for school. Obviously he like, he made sure I ate and stuff in between. We were like two hours from home, just, just fishing the entire time.

[00:24:46] And again, like I said, I hadn't tolerance of about an hour. So those, you know, the last two and a half to two days and maybe six hours of that was pretty rough for me.

[00:24:55] David Dowlen: I, I'm not a fisherman myself, but my oldest daughter, my, my brother got her into fishing. And so we go fishing almost like every week from spring through summer into the fall, we go fishing every week in the morning, me and her get up like four 30 in the morning.

[00:25:12] We're out fishing by 5, 5 15, and she loves it. I sit there and drink coffee. We've got this stock pond about 20 miles from here and, uh, it's 14 and under. And so I take her over there.

[00:25:31] I take her over there and I drink coffee and watch her fish. And it's great. Cause she loves it and I get to be with. She caught her first croppy I was told crappie was the wrong pronunciation for that, but she needed to get home, get to come home and make jokes with her mom. My, she went down and woke up my wife.

[00:25:50] It's like, oh, I was like, how was your fishing trips? Like we had a crappy fishing trip. Cause that's the way it spelled. She thought that was hilarious that she got to say that actually. So that's pretty good to do the tiniest bit with kids, right.

[00:26:06] Brine Hamilton: Oh, yeah. Well, it's funny too, because my son has a, he's grown to really love fishing himself as well.

[00:26:10] So right now we're at my brother-in-law's cottage. Like you mentioned, I'm on vacation here, but yeah, that's one of the big things here is just fishing for them. So it's, you know, maybe that, uh, that skipped, skipped a generation that, uh, my dad's love for fishing transcended to them, but, uh, you know, I'm finding myself out there, uh, trying to enjoy fishing again.

[00:26:29] I do enjoy the quiet now, now that I'm, you know, a bit older, I'm going to be 40 this year as well. So I do enjoy that quiet time, uh, you know, with, especially my older son, he's pretty quiet himself as well, but yeah, we, we can, we definitely enjoy that time out there, but, uh, but yeah, when, when my, when my dad was taking me as a kid, I had had such a hard time with it, but, you know, I did it for him.

[00:26:48] He, he made the sacrifice of pretending he was interested in a lot of the sports I was in and, and, you know, he was at all my basketball games when I was growing up. So, you know, those things that we do for our kids right

[00:26:58] David Dowlen: You know,, that's one of my favorite things about this and what I'm trying to do with the Fallible man.

[00:27:05] Dads are universal. It doesn't matter where you live, what your background is, where, what part of the world you're from your heritage? Nothing. Dads are a universal thing. Being a man is a universal thing. Husbands, we have so much in common with people with half of the population of the globe, right? We share so much in common with them.

[00:27:29] You can get dads together and we can talk about our kids and we can talk about being a dad. And that is just a great thing, right? It doesn't matter what ever geography can divide us. Politics can divide people, but there are some universal truths, this, and I'm trying to, I want men to understand the value they bring to the life of their children as a father, the value they bring as a husband.

[00:27:56] You know your relationship with your wife, you work with your wife, like I do on your podcast, which I know guys who think we're insane. My wife is by far the smarter of the two of us. There are people who are like, how do you, how would I, I don't even, it's like, man, it's a beautiful thing, but it's another universal connection.

[00:28:20] And it's amazing. I meet so many guys who were like, uh, uh, how do you work with your wives? Well, come over to the channel, let me share some of the things I I do in my life that helps that work because you can do that too. Right? We have all this universality that connects us from, I was just interviewing with guys in Australia recently, and I've got one coming up in Scotland, I think in a week, you're up in Canada, up on the far side of Canada from me.

[00:28:52] I had a guest recently from Vancouver. And it's beautiful because we are, you know, thousands of miles apart, but men can connect and we all have the same struggles as fathers, as husbands, as men, we all have these universal things that we can connect on and touch on and help each other with. Absolutely.

[00:29:13] Which is just an incredible journey to me, which is why I'm kind of obsessed with it. But guys, if you're getting something out of this, you know, we're keeping it really casual in this conversation, but there's a lot of truth coming out in this casual. So if you're getting something out of this, be sure and share this contract content with your friends.

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